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Post by BrewCityBuck on Dec 9, 2003 8:33:05 GMT -5
Under
-Richard Hamilton -Michael Redd -Elton Brand -Bobby Jackson -Brad Miller -Mano Ginobili -Paul Pierce
Over
-Jason Richadson -Cuttino Mobley -Michael Olowokandi -Vince Carter -Darius Miles
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KWebb5
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Post by KWebb5 on Dec 9, 2003 11:08:09 GMT -5
OVERATED: Vince Carter-Relys on jumpshot too much, wouldn't be that great with a winning team. Gets all the shots he wants.
Lebron James- Yeah, I think hes overated. He has the ball every single possesion and can do whatever he wants. He averages alot of assists, but then again averages alot of turnovers. That decreases his best attribute.
Darius Miles- Can play defense and dunk. Thats about it. Cant score worth sh*t.
Tim Duncan-Too inconsistant...considered best in the league too often. Top 5 though. I expect to hear alot of complaints from this one.
UNDERATED: Eddie Jones- One of the few in the league that can score and play defense. I wish he was on a good team.
Eric Snow- Isn't flashy at all. Averages alot of assists. Good assist/turnover ratio. Very good man to man defense. And scores a acceptable amount of points.
Andrei Kirilenko- Very good defense, man to man and shot blocking. Scores a very decent amount of points. Hustles his ass off.
Zydrunas Ilgauskas- 1st time all-star appearance last year. Will block a shot here and there, and is a pretty good rebounder. Shoots a bit much for his position on the team, but shoots a decent %. And is a very underated scorer.
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Post by ViNSaNiTy15UnC9 on Dec 9, 2003 15:35:20 GMT -5
I'm a lil biased about VC, but he coudln't do good on a winning team thats why the 1st 2 games he got the new players/ actual scorers which hes never had he went in double digits both times. Also, he relys on his jumper to much what Guard doesn't rely on a jumper? What does AI rely on the post? Also, whats the new rec. with some decent players like 5-0 maybe?
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Post by Sped on Dec 9, 2003 15:55:43 GMT -5
OVERRATED Amare Stoudemire- No post moves, how good would he be without Steph and Matrix stretching the defense?
Dirk Nowitzki- He's a female who benefits from Nash, Finley, Walker, and Jamison getting him open looks. Can't create for himself.
Mike Bibby- Honestly, whats he do great? Not an exceptional passer, average jumper, not a great scorer or defender. I could be the PG for the Kings, all you have to do is feed Peja, Miller, Divac, and a healthy Webber.
***I'll do underrated some other time
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Post by BrewCityBuck on Dec 9, 2003 19:05:52 GMT -5
Can't defend, extremly slow, decent on O, recently has lost PT to ***DESAGANA DIOP***
-And TD being inconsistant? I don't agree. Always puts up 20 and 10.
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Post by ViNSaNiTy15UnC9 on Dec 9, 2003 19:19:28 GMT -5
Diops a beast dont be dissin em... He's been developing remember hes only like 21, so all you that say hes a bust wait a few years. He would be a Junior in college.
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Post by KWebb5 on Dec 9, 2003 19:40:56 GMT -5
I'm a lil biased about VC, but he coudln't do good on a winning team thats why the 1st 2 games he got the new players/ actual scorers which hes never had he went in double digits both times. Also, he relys on his jumper to much what Guard doesn't rely on a jumper? What does AI rely on the post? Also, whats the new rec. with some decent players like 5-0 maybe? Vince could score 30 a game if he didnt shoot jumpers all the time. AI DOES NOT rely on his jumper. He probably drives the most in the league. He either drives and shoots, or comes off of a screen and shoots. Period. Vince's dunks come off of fast breaks, barely ever driving the lane. A topic was made about Vince not driving before. You should check it out. Vince averages double digits easily. Many players do. I said his numbers would drop, not he would become horrible.
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Post by Maize & Blue on Dec 10, 2003 21:29:10 GMT -5
Now I have to back my man up and disagree with you Sped on Dirk. I think the man is a terrific playa that can create for himself. He can take it in the hole and make some shot and he has great range. He can shoot from anywhere on the court. That being said, he "can" creat for himself.
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Post by ViNSaNiTy15UnC9 on Dec 10, 2003 21:35:18 GMT -5
Yeah AI drives a lot but he shoots a hell of a lot too. He shoots like 40 times a night so like 10 driving shots isn't a lot. Compared to the 30 jumpers. I know Vince don't drive a lot, but u notice when he does u rack up 2 points and is on Sportscenter? Either making an amazing under the hoop layup or awesome dunk on someone.
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Post by KWebb5 on Dec 11, 2003 12:36:55 GMT -5
When Iverson is in the zone, he IS the hardest player to stop. When KG is on, his team is one of the hardest to beat because he makes his teamates better simply with passing, and getting rebounds for stops.
Vince doesn't improve his teamates what so ever. Doesnt rack up many assists, doesnt create for other teamates. Thats why Carter would not be good on a good team. Like the Kings or Mavs. He simply would not help them out very much at all. What he does is score, and thats about it. With teams with plenty of scorers, how would he help them?
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Post by ViNSaNiTy15UnC9 on Dec 11, 2003 15:38:58 GMT -5
WTF, r u talkin about he has gotten like 8 or more assists in like 4 of the 5 games he has gotten Rose, Marshall, and Baxter, and has been averaging about 7 rebounds a game since they came over. Plus has actually been scoring more consisten since they came over. I dunno what you are talkin about he doesn't get assists, maybe when Peterson is your 2nd best player you get 4 assits a game maybe. His season average went up like .5 already with the new team and is the leader and is what 5-0?
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Post by BrewCityBuck on Dec 11, 2003 18:30:40 GMT -5
Just watching him playing the Bucks on TV makes me mad, when he's hot he is impossible to stop
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Post by KWebb5 on Dec 11, 2003 22:12:54 GMT -5
How do you stop him then?...he has the most 50 point games of active players in the league.
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Post by KWebb5 on Dec 11, 2003 22:14:42 GMT -5
WTF, r u talkin about he has gotten like 8 or more assists in like 4 of the 5 games he has gotten Rose, Marshall, and Baxter, and has been averaging about 7 rebounds a game since they came over. Plus has actually been scoring more consisten since they came over. I dunno what you are talkin about he doesn't get assists, maybe when Peterson is your 2nd best player you get 4 assits a game maybe. His season average went up like .5 already with the new team and is the leader and is what 5-0?[/quote Carter will never be a top 30passer....
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Post by Sped on Dec 11, 2003 22:36:10 GMT -5
Vince Carter is a selfish bastard. No doubt.
However, so far this year, he's been a top5 player.
-KG -AI -Baron have all definately been better
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