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Post by huskersrule01 on Oct 11, 2004 12:38:27 GMT -5
-Purdue at 15, They have looked very impressive for most of the time and are undefeated and I would put them in top 10 -Georgia Tech #24, they are only 3-2 and have lost to North Carolina and have only beat Maryland -Missouri #31 are 3-1 and probably should be close to #25 -Stanford#33- they lost to Notre Dame and you move them up 5 spots? -Clemson #34- they lost Again and are 1-4 and yet you still leave them in top 40, you have to be kidding me -Texas Tech #37 I would move them up to about #30, they have looked pretty good throughout the year and very good this last weekend when they killed Nebraska -Navy- just out-- are undefeated thus far and I would but them around #30-#35 Just Out that shouldnt be included Fresno State- have lost 2 in a row including one of them to UTEP BYU--they are 2-4 and dont deserve to be there with that record Iowa State- they are 2-3 and have gotten pasted in 2 of the losses Marshall- 2-3 and have not beaten anyone that is good San Diego 2-3 with only wins over Idaho State and Nevado Kansas State- 2-3 with only wins over Western Kentucky(Div 2) and LA Lafayette(not very good) Air Force 3-3 not the teams that have had in past and havent looked good most of the time How did you get these teams just out??, to be close to top 40 at this time of the year you should at least have a winning record.
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Post by fullforce11 on Oct 12, 2004 18:28:47 GMT -5
-Purdue at 15, They have looked very impressive for most of the time and are undefeated and I would put them in top 10 -Georgia Tech #24, they are only 3-2 and have lost to North Carolina and have only beat Maryland -Missouri #31 are 3-1 and probably should be close to #25 -Stanford#33- they lost to Notre Dame and you move them up 5 spots? -Clemson #34- they lost Again and are 1-4 and yet you still leave them in top 40, you have to be kidding me -Texas Tech #37 I would move them up to about #30, they have looked pretty good throughout the year and very good this last weekend when they killed Nebraska -Navy- just out-- are undefeated thus far and I would but them around #30-#35 Just Out that shouldnt be included Fresno State- have lost 2 in a row including one of them to UTEP BYU--they are 2-4 and dont deserve to be there with that record Iowa State- they are 2-3 and have gotten pasted in 2 of the losses Marshall- 2-3 and have not beaten anyone that is good San Diego 2-3 with only wins over Idaho State and Nevado Kansas State- 2-3 with only wins over Western Kentucky(Div 2) and LA Lafayette(not very good) Air Force 3-3 not the teams that have had in past and havent looked good most of the time How did you get these teams just out??, to be close to top 40 at this time of the year you should at least have a winning record. No offense, but you still don't understand the rankings. Don't tell me that teams "don't deserve their rankings" or "deserve a better one." Tell me why you think Navy would beat Clemson in Annapolis and at a neutral location. I still don't think Navy has the athletes to compete w/ Clemson, tell me why I'm wrong. Whether a team "deserves" a ranking sdoesn't matter. Who is BETTER does.
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Post by huskersrule01 on Oct 12, 2004 19:54:59 GMT -5
No offense, but you still don't understand the rankings. Don't tell me that teams "don't deserve their rankings" or "deserve a better one." Tell me why you think Navy would beat Clemson in Annapolis and at a neutral location. I still don't think Navy has the athletes to compete w/ Clemson, tell me why I'm wrong. Whether a team "deserves" a ranking sdoesn't matter. Who is BETTER does. Actually I dont think you understand how to rank teams by putting teams with a 1-4 record as a top 40 team, no one in their right mind would do that except for you!!!! And yes I do think Navy would definely have a chance against Clemson, from what I have seen Clemson is not very good and was drastically overrated to start the season.
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Post by fullforce11 on Oct 12, 2004 21:15:58 GMT -5
Actually I dont think you understand how to rank teams by putting teams with a 1-4 record as a top 40 team, no one in their right mind would do that except for you!!!! And yes I do think Navy would definely have a chance against Clemson, from what I have seen Clemson is not very good and was drastically overrated to start the season. lets for a second pretend that the 34th best team in the nation played 5 teams in the top 30. Now lets say they beat 1 and lost to the other 4. Should they not be #34 when they lost to 4 teams in the top 30? Wouldn't you expect them to lose to teams that are better than them? My rankings are not a reward for a good record. They are my estimation of how good a team is. If say, Utah, is solid ballclub but was forced to play, say....Texas, Oklahoma, Auburn, Virginia, and USC in their first 5 games, they would go 0-5 and likely not come close in most games. Does Utah's record mean they are not one of the 25 best teams in the country? (Thats not a rhetorical question, I honestly want you to answer it.)
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Post by fullforce11 on Oct 12, 2004 21:18:53 GMT -5
And this is the last time I will say the following:
Do not give me pure records as evidence for where a team should be ranked. Tell me why their team could beat the teams ranked ahead of them, or why they would lose to teams ranked behind them.
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Post by tigerbait99 on Oct 12, 2004 22:31:31 GMT -5
Overall I would say that is a pretty good top 40. Obviously we are all going to have some difference of opinion, but all in all that was pretty good. The major problems that I see is Purdue being too low, Ohio State being too high, Utah is too low, and Texas Tech is too low. Anyway, keep posting your top 40, I like having something to compare mine to.
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Post by fullforce11 on Oct 13, 2004 12:27:14 GMT -5
Overall I would say that is a pretty good top 40. Obviously we are all going to have some difference of opinion, but all in all that was pretty good. The major problems that I see is Purdue being too low, Ohio State being too high, Utah is too low, and Texas Tech is too low. Anyway, keep posting your top 40, I like having something to compare mine to. I like the difference of opinion. And I appreciate intelligent critisism. You will notice that after I looked at your advice on Texas Tech I reexamined their team and moved them up a few rankings. (I had penalized them more than necesary for their loss to New Mexico.) So, thank you, tigerbait, for your input. Please continue to do so, and what i think would be really interesting is reasons that a team I have, say, at 20 would lose to a team that you think i have underranked at, say, 27. I started my rankings system in order to have some enjoyable intelligent conversation about the quality of college football teams. I hope we can have more of that in the future.
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Post by YbrikTCU on Oct 13, 2004 12:45:47 GMT -5
I still think you have Texas Tech ranked far too low. Consider: Tech at 32, but A&M at 23? The Aggies are bouncing back from a bad season last year, but they are still nowhere near a level where they could beat Texas Tech. I've watched both play this year. Tech is for real. They put up a damn good fight against Oklahoma, and demolished Nebraska, even more than they demolished TCU (not sure what's up with that, but...whatever). Texas A&M, on the other hand, just hasn't put up as impressive of wins. Yes, they've won most of their games, but they've not won by as much. Texas Tech would probably do to Texas A&M what they did to Nebraska and TCU.
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Post by fullforce11 on Oct 20, 2004 1:35:32 GMT -5
1. Oklahoma 2. Florida State 3. Auburn 4. Miami 5. Texas 6. USC 7. Wisconsin 8. California 9. Georgia 10. LSU 11. Virginia 12. Tennessee 13. Florida 14. Purdue 15. Virginia Tech 16. West Virginia 17. Texas A&M 18. Louisville 19. Utah 20. North Carolina State 21. Georgia Tech 22. Michigan 23. Arizona State 24. Oklahoma State 25. Maryland 26. Ohio State 27. Boise State 28. Wake Forest 29. Missouri 30. Texas Tech 31. Notre Dame 32. Stanford 33. Clemson 34. UAB 35. South Carolina 36. Alabama 37. Arkansas 38. Iowa 39. Memphis 40. Southern Miss
just out: UConn, Fresno State, Northen Illinois, Louisiana Tech, UCLA, BYU, Iowa State, Marshall, Michigan State, Kansas State, Kansas, Colorado, North Carolina, Minnesota, Air Force, Boston College, Northwestern, and Navy
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Post by PJ520 on Oct 20, 2004 7:12:55 GMT -5
How is Florida State #2 and ahead of Miami who beat them?
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Post by huskersrule01 on Oct 20, 2004 11:46:04 GMT -5
-FSU shouldnt be ahead of Maimi because they lost to them and shouldnt jump them till Miami loses Wisonsin and USC should be ahead of Texas -Ohio State has lost 3 in a row including getting KILLED last week by Iowa Maryland 25- nice bias 3-3 with no wins over a even decent opponent -Texas Tech #30 Have had some very impressive wins and a great comeback against KU- would have them in top 25 -Clemson #33 I know its not all about the record BUT IT IS STILL A PART OF IT AND YOU HAVE TO WIN GAMES. I know they have played a tough schedule but they should have won vs Georgia Tech and a lot of the other games they didnt lose close, they got KILLED.
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Post by amcanes on Oct 20, 2004 12:24:37 GMT -5
You have UAB at #34 please the way this team is playin.UAB is a and coming program their only lose is to FSU who was on a rebound from the miami lose.FSU went on fourth down 8 times in that game against UAB.I live in birmingham so i see this team at first hand so in saying that i believe UAB can go the rest of the season with that one lose to FSU.
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Post by qcomdrj on Oct 20, 2004 13:40:37 GMT -5
Jeff Sagarin has Clemson ranked 39th. Maybe the computers do know something. Clemson played FSU closer than UVa did (although Clemson also lost to UVa). The scheduling is probably what puts them so high.
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Post by tigerbait99 on Oct 20, 2004 19:43:28 GMT -5
1. Oklahoma 2. Florida State 3. Auburn 4. Miami 5. Texas 6. USC 7. Wisconsin 8. California 9. Georgia 10. LSU 11. Virginia 12. Tennessee 13. Florida 14. Purdue 15. Virginia Tech 16. West Virginia 17. Texas A&M 18. Louisville 19. Utah 20. North Carolina State 21. Georgia Tech 22. Michigan 23. Arizona State 24. Oklahoma State 25. Maryland 26. Ohio State 27. Boise State 28. Wake Forest 29. Missouri 30. Texas Tech 31. Notre Dame 32. Stanford 33. Clemson 34. UAB 35. South Carolina 36. Alabama 37. Arkansas 38. Iowa 39. Memphis 40. Southern Miss just out: UConn, Fresno State, Northen Illinois, Louisiana Tech, UCLA, BYU, Iowa State, Marshall, Michigan State, Kansas State, Kansas, Colorado, North Carolina, Minnesota, Air Force, Boston College, Northwestern, and Navy All in all this is solid, but I do have a few problems. -Miami should be ahead of FSU -Maryland should be around #30-35. -Florida is too high. They still have two losses. -LSU is too high. I hate saying this but they are not a top 10 team right now. -Purdue should be higher, they have only one loss and it came in an extremly close game against UW. -UW should be ranked higher. -Texas Tech's offense has impressed in recent weeks and they deserve a top 25 ranking. That is about it. You should start coming back here more often fullforce! I rarely see you on here anymore. It is good to have another person posting some rankings so that I have something to compare my personal rankings to. And you used to contribute a lot to the CFB board.
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Post by BrewCityBuck on Oct 21, 2004 8:19:16 GMT -5
Wisonsin should be #4.
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