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Post by PJ520 on Aug 14, 2004 14:19:46 GMT -5
Instead of Favre we would have Aaron Brooks or Matt Hasselbeck. Favre has done a lot but i'm saying whenever he blows our chances it always somebody else's fault. I agree Favre does make mistakes but he does more good things than bad things.
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Post by BrewCityBuck on Aug 14, 2004 14:22:17 GMT -5
As many times as Favre has saved us he has killed us with stupid passes in triple teams.
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Post by gben027 on Aug 14, 2004 19:09:20 GMT -5
OK......i'm away from the forum for a couple of days and come back to find this thread......i can't see how you people are calling Favre overrated here. Sure he's makes some stupid mistakes over his career.....but the good stuff that he's done way overrules that. I mean look at his career stats, 2nd all time in TD's, he's gonna be 2nd all time in passing yards after this season, 3 MVP's, 2 super bowl appearanes, winning one of them, and one of the best winning %'s as a starting QB ever. You really can't argue with results here. And that mention of him being treated as jesus christ here.....he deserves it for pulling this franchise out of the gutter. And i can't see how people are calling him overrated this year....if you want an overrated guy.....look no farther than Donovon Mcnabb, who many people think is better than Favre......but i ask....better than Favre at what? running? I think he is easily the most overrated QB in the league, not Favre, end of discussion.
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Post by PJ520 on Aug 14, 2004 19:11:46 GMT -5
Well said Ben
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Post by ViNSaNiTy15UnC9 on Aug 15, 2004 2:21:09 GMT -5
Ok, 1st I didn't know we were talkin about whole carrers? In that case Emmitt Smith is one of the most overated players ever. If we are talkin about right now how good they are playing compared to the hype Brett Favre is overated. Yes will be in the HOF his 1st season eligable and is one of the best QB's all-time. Is he in his prime right now and a sure elite QB? No, he is still a good QB but there are better QB's in the NFL then him right now. If he started 0-5 with 10 INT's people would go "who cares he's Brett Favre". Just my opinion.
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Post by BrewCityBuck on Aug 15, 2004 11:25:26 GMT -5
McNabb has made it to the Championship game 3 times in a row, but he has major accuracy problems.
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Post by PJ520 on Aug 15, 2004 21:32:20 GMT -5
Underrated
Marcus Stroud - He had just as many sacks as Kris Jenkins but had more tackles! How's that for underrated?
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Post by BrewCityBuck on Aug 15, 2004 22:13:08 GMT -5
That's underrated Pete! I look at the Jaguar's roster and there stacked. Darius, Washington, Stroud, Henderson, Douglas, Peterson, and the list goes on.
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Post by PJ520 on Aug 15, 2004 22:19:39 GMT -5
That's underrated Pete! I look at the Jaguar's roster and there stacked. Darius, Washington, Stroud, Henderson, Douglas, Peterson, and the list goes on. You're forgetting Deon Grant who was one of Carolina's best players on defense last year! And add Akin Ayodele who lead Jacksonville in tackles. Rashean Mathis is going to turn into an awesome corner. Plus they added Greg Favors from Carolina's D too.
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Post by ViNSaNiTy15UnC9 on Aug 16, 2004 0:12:41 GMT -5
He is underated as a player, but that front 4 is well known as one of the best in the NFL.
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Post by fullforce11 on Aug 20, 2004 23:31:33 GMT -5
Underrated Marcus Stroud - He had just as many sacks as Kris Jenkins but had more tackles! How's that for underrated? I agree with you that Marcus Stroud is underrated. But Stats do not show the value of a Defensive Tackle. But, you are right Stroud is a Very Good DT. Yet, Jenkins is still the best.
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Post by fullforce11 on Aug 20, 2004 23:52:45 GMT -5
Smith over Rated do you pay any attention to football at all This is the most wrong thing I have heard ever Smith is not overrated no way he has the rushing record sorry this is one of the times I have to do it Smith is a Damn good play RB is the hardest posion to play cause when you call it quites your joins fall a part Smith should call it done but never is he overrated on way ever. Also You havn't seen Eli play in the NFL. Urlacher no way as much as I hate to say it he is one of the best he is one of the few LB that could take down Barry. You need to learn football whats next Barry overrated. Sorry, I've been away for a few days and missed this guy spewing incoherant babble at me, but i felt I had to respond. I had to read this thing like 3 times to figure out what in the hell this guy was saying, but i believe i got the gist of it. I think he said Emmitt Smith is not overrated because he has the NFL rushing record and because the Halfback position is difficult on the body. Well, first, he is right, the halfback position is very difficult on the body, but so is every line (both OLine and DLine), linebacker, fullback, strong safety, and quarterback position. But that has nothing to do with how a particular Halfback is underrated or overrated, after all, we are comparing him to other HB's. Secondly, the rushing record is as much a reflection of the team Emmitt had around him as it is a reflection of Emmitt. Emmitt had the best Offensive Line in football through most of the 90's in addition to a great Fullback, outsanding passing game and an outstanding defense. (Anybody who has played football understands that a good defense is imperative to a offensive running game, because the running game is best and most often used while ahead.) A player like Barry Sanders never had this talent around him, and there are a number of HB's that could do what Emmitt did if they were in Emmitt's shoes. Also, thats correct, i had not seen Eli play in the NFL prior to my comment, which I believe I acknowledged. He has impressed me so far in pre-season, yet i still believe he was not worth the number 1 pick nor the money he has been given as such, but I could be wrong. I do believe Urlacher is overrated because he is a Middle Linebacker that struggles with stuffing the run. He would still seem successful if he still had a pair of great run stuffing DT's in front of him, but he does not. He is a below average run defender. Frankly, i think he should move to the Strong Side LB position. Finally, I'm assuming "Barry" means Barry Sanders. If that is who you meant than, NO, Barry is not overrated. Barry Sanders is the second greatest HB of all time, behind only Jim Brown. (A list Emmitt Smith does not belong on.)
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Post by fullforce11 on Aug 21, 2004 0:08:23 GMT -5
TO is not Underrated. Brady has won 2 Superbowls and 2 MVP's. As much as I hate him he gets it done with nothing much on offense. Eli Manning can't be considered, he's already neck and neck with Kurt Warner. (Reported by teammates in Training Camp) You don't call any player a bust or overrated until there 3rd or 4rth year. I believe T.O. is underrated the same way Barry Bonds in underrated. Obviously everyone worth their salt thinks both Barry Bonds and T.O. are great players. I think they are better than that. I believe that the T.O. from 2 years ago up to the present is better than any other Wide Reciever was at any other time in history. He makes Defensive coordinators change their game like no one else in history has. (maybe the Randy moss of 3 years ago) About Tom Brady, Superbowl's are team, not player awards. He has played well in those two games, yet not amazing. He is not one of the 10 best QB's in the game currently, and most people believe he is, thats why he is overrated. If you disagree tell me who of the following list he is better than. Donovan McNabb Dante Culpepper Peyton Manning Steve McNair Trent Green Aaron Brooks Drew Bledsoe David Carr Michael Vick Mark Bulger
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Post by bigjohn7056 on Aug 21, 2004 0:37:33 GMT -5
I believe T.O. is underrated the same way Barry Bonds in underrated. Obviously everyone worth their salt thinks both Barry Bonds and T.O. are great players. I think they are better than that. I believe that the T.O. from 2 years ago up to the present is better than any other Wide Reciever was at any other time in history. He makes Defensive coordinators change their game like no one else in history has. (maybe the Randy moss of 3 years ago) About Tom Brady, Superbowl's are team, not player awards. He has played well in those two games, yet not amazing. He is not one of the 10 best QB's in the game currently, and most people believe he is, thats why he is overrated. If you disagree tell me who of the following list he is better than. Donovan McNabb Dante Culpepper Peyton Manning Steve McNair Trent Green Aaron Brooks Drew Bledsoe David Carr Michael Vick Mark Bulger I agree that Tom Brady is overrated, but he is defintely better than Drew Bledsoe and David Carr.
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Post by BrewCityBuck on Aug 21, 2004 18:11:10 GMT -5
I almost shit my pants I was laughing so hard.
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