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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2004 8:32:21 GMT -5
I agree with DevilBear (and since we are not talking Politics that doesn't surprise me). Dabid Thompson was hands down the best player ever in College. I nevr saw him but have heard the stories and seen the tape. My Mother-in-law and Father-in-law (Both Duke Grads) are HUGE basketball fans and they say NO ONE they have seen before or since was flat-out as great as David Thompson. He wasn't allowed to dunk then.
At NC State, "The Skywalker" was a three-time First-Team All-America, three time All-ACC selection, and a two-time Associated Press National Player of the Year. He led the Wolfpack to a 79-7 three-year record, a mark that included a 30-1 record and a National Championship in 1974. For his efforts in NC State's run to the championship, Thompson was voted MVP of the NCAA Tournament. In 1975, Thompson earned the Naismith, Rupp, AP, UPI, Eastman Kodak and The Sporting News Player of the Year honors. His flair and ability to put the ball in the hoop guided NC State to two consecutive ACC titles (1973 and 1974) with perfect 14-0 records. Thompson won ACC Athlete of the Year honors in 1973 and 1975. He was ACC Basketball Player of the Year in all three varsity seasons and was a unanimous choice to each of the All-ACC teams during his career. Named to the NCAA All-Decade Team of the 1970s, Thompson was inducted into the North Carolina Sports Hall of Fame in 1982. NC State paid him the ultimate honor when they retired his #44 jersey.
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Post by wordjockey on Aug 30, 2004 9:54:16 GMT -5
Back to my original post on this topic, I would put Thompson right at the top. He was stunning. I was able to see him play on TV, and he was playing while the dunk was outlawed, but had HUGE hops. I would have a tie with Thompson, Walton, and the 'Big "O'", one for each major position. Choose your poison. In athletic ability, I would rate Thompson as #1.
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Post by txheel98 on Aug 30, 2004 10:58:39 GMT -5
Did Meadowlark Lemon play college ball? Someone told me he played at Kansas but I'm not sure. They said he was phenomenal. I never got to see him play even as a globetrotter.
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Post by matt on Aug 30, 2004 12:21:12 GMT -5
Did Meadowlark Lemon play college ball? Someone told me he played at Kansas but I'm not sure. They said he was phenomenal. I never got to see him play even as a globetrotter. Nicknamed the "Clown Prince of Basketball," Lemon was a fine basketball and football player in high school, but his goal was to play for the Harlem Globetrotters and he spent extra hours working on ball handling and tricky maneuvers to reach that goal. Lemon entered Florida A & M University after graduating from high school in 1952. His college career was cut short by two years in the Army. He was stationed in Germany while the Globetrotters were playing there and he got an audition with the team. After his discharge in 1954, he joined the Globetrotters and quickly became one of their most popular players with his skilled antics. At a time when the best black player were being admitted into the NBA rather than forced into playing for barnstorming teams, Lemon may well have been the salvation of the Globetrotters, since playing for them was his only ambition.
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Post by txheel98 on Aug 30, 2004 12:44:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the info Matt.
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Post by GoBlue101 on Aug 30, 2004 15:54:20 GMT -5
maravich or bill walton
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Post by fullforce11 on Aug 31, 2004 12:12:49 GMT -5
I will start with a quote from before your time... "Jane, you ignorant slut!" First of all, I brought up Wilt Chamberlain to show you how stupid your argument is. Check and see how many black players he played against at Kansas. Next, UK did lose with an all white team to Texas Western in 1966. How many black players were in your wonderful, precious ACC in the '65 - '66 season? One. Two more were added the next year, so don't get preachy. Next, let's examine Maravich in the pros: He played on losing teams, as top draft picks often do. His rookie season, his average was 23.2 ppg,(9th in the league) and was named to the all-rookie team. In his 3rd season he averaged 26.1, 5th in the NBA ( a teamate was 4th) and went to his first all-star game. He also had 6.9 assists per game, good for 6th in the league. In the '75 -'76 year he was 3rd in the league in scoring (behind Macadoo and Jabbar) The next part comes straight from the NBA website: "The following season was Maravich's finest as a professional. He saw action in 73 games and led the NBA in scoring with a career-best 31.1 p p g. He scored 40 or more points 13 times, the most in the NBA that season and he led the league in total points (2,273), field goals attempted (2,047) and free throws made (501). On Feb. 25, 1977, he scored 68 points in a game against the New York Knicks despite the efforts of defensive ace Walt Frazier to bottle him up. Maravich's performance that day ranks as the 11th-best single-game total in NBA history. He returned to the NBA All-Star Game in 1977 and earned his second straight berth on the All-NBA First Team" Also from the same site: "Maravich was a notorious long-range bomber during his career, but ... he had never played in a league, college or pro, that used the three-point shot. All of his many points had come on two-pointers, even when launched from a great distance. In 1979-80, the NBA finally adopted the three-point shot. In his final season-with his skills rusty, his knees creaky, and his minutes limited-Pistol Pete Maravich finally got a chance to shoot three-pointers. He went 10-for-15." Doesn't sound embarassing to me... In conclusion; your arguments, as stated before are baseless, stupid, and don't deal with facts. Grow some pubes and do some research before you make claims you can't back up. You are making Maryland fans look bad. I like them, for the most part, but you aren't helping. Hey Chill out. I never said the ACC allowed blacks to play in the early or mid-60's, i didn't bring up the ACC at all. All I said was that a number of players could do what Maravich did if they didn't play against black players. I stand by that. I wonder if you disagree. Imagine Larry Bird, David Thompson, Patrick Ewing, Magic Johnson, Lou Alcindor, Bill Walton, Oscar Robertson, or Tim Duncan playing against all-white competition. Wouldn't they have dominated as well? Notice, I never said players on the next level down were as good or better than Maravich. However, if we're trying to find the single greatest player of all time we should compare him to the BEST, I'm saying his level of competition was not as difficult as any of the rest of the players I previously mentioned. The reference to his pro career was, simply, that early on he had large numbers of turnovers and took many poor shots, leading to a poor FG%. (I tried to find the numbers at the website you quoted from but couldn't.) I wonder, since you have this weird desire to criticize my age, the maturity level of someone who would end an arguement that was never heated with the line "Grow some pubes." Classy. Bob Knight would be proud.
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Post by felton2unc on Aug 31, 2004 12:16:46 GMT -5
all time college line up
pg phil ford sg maravich sf d thompson pf walton c alcindor
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Post by roy_who on Aug 31, 2004 14:08:58 GMT -5
Felton, I think you're overlooking Oscar at PG, who I would take over Phil Four Corners, oops we lost Ford. And a little school named USF owes its NCAA history entirely to Bill Russell, who needs to be part of this discussion. Can't argue with the talent you mentioned, though. Another guy who belongs in any discussion that Larry Bird gets into would be Elgin Baylor.
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Post by matt on Aug 31, 2004 15:01:01 GMT -5
all time college line up pg phil ford sg maravich sf d thompson pf walton c alcindor Bobby Hurley was better than Phil Ford. ;D
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Post by felton2unc on Aug 31, 2004 15:33:44 GMT -5
oscar certainly is not out of the picture, nor is russell, i just did it by position and alcindor gets the nod at center
i may be a bit biased towards ford, but he is the best pg in acc history by far, and dont give me that bobby hurley crap
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Post by wordjockey on Aug 31, 2004 20:49:45 GMT -5
Hey Chill out. I never said the ACC allowed blacks to play in the early or mid-60's, i didn't bring up the ACC at all. All I said was that a number of players could do what Maravich did if they didn't play against black players. I stand by that. I wonder if you disagree. Imagine Larry Bird, David Thompson, Patrick Ewing, Magic Johnson, Lou Alcindor, Bill Walton, Oscar Robertson, or Tim Duncan playing against all-white competition. Wouldn't they have dominated as well? Notice, I never said players on the next level down were as good or better than Maravich. However, if we're trying to find the single greatest player of all time we should compare him to the BEST, I'm saying his level of competition was not as difficult as any of the rest of the players I previously mentioned. The reference to his pro career was, simply, that early on he had large numbers of turnovers and took many poor shots, leading to a poor FG%. (I tried to find the numbers at the website you quoted from but couldn't.) I wonder, since you have this weird desire to criticize my age, the maturity level of someone who would end an arguement that was never heated with the line "Grow some pubes." Classy. Bob Knight would be proud. Sorry if the pubes remark hurt your feelings. My bad. Here's a player, from Maravich's time, Earl Monroe. Both were guards, about the same size. Monroe averaged .464 FG .807FT 3.0 RPG and 3.9 APG Pete's were .441 FG .820 FT 4.2 RPG and 5.4 APG Not as high an average on field goals, but he was "the" shooter, so guarded closely. Not bad. Both are on the NBA 50 all-time squad. My point is that you are discounting him because of history, or the lack of the knowledge of it. That's all. I still would take Oscar Robertson as my all-around guard guy. (Not counting Jordan, who is in his own league, with Wilt.) The pubes thing comes straight from Dick Cheney, not Bob Knight. My mistake. You had to be there, Pete was a "rock star" of his day, and a show unto himself. I will still contend he was one of the best offensive players, ever. Would have made a perfect Globetrotter.
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