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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 3, 2004 21:30:20 GMT -5
since when do playoff stats count as career stats? i've never heard that before, barry bonds season homerun totals count for 703 homeruns and that's what it says for his career totals, and once again you're missing the point, obviously if say darin erstad got 260 hits in 162 games but ichiro got 261 hits in 180 games then that would be an unfair disadvantage to erstad, but we are talking about two very different and distant eras in baseball where we have no idea what the difference in skill was, are you ever going to stop with this?
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 3, 2004 18:38:41 GMT -5
he finished the year with 262 hits in 704 at bats for a .372 average
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 3, 2004 18:28:12 GMT -5
Oh, I thought of another way that the Ichiro season argument can be debunked. Why don't playoff games count for hit totals? It's part of the season. Just because one team might get more games than another shouldn't matter, because it's one season. See? now you're starting to get desperate, it's called a regular season and a post season, meaning they aren't the same season and therefore have different stats, just drop it please
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 3, 2004 1:13:52 GMT -5
It's not that simple. There are already two records for every record. What difference would 3 make. And 8 extra games are an advantage, because at the 154 game mark, Ichiro didn't have 257 hits. Was he saving up for the playoff push? I think not. And if you had new records, they would be the one's people remember anyway. i'm getting tired of hearing and saying the same thing over and over so let's just drop it
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 2, 2004 16:52:32 GMT -5
no, your point is that 8 extra games are an advantage, and i'm saying that there is no way to know whether they are or not so why should we make two seperate records? how is that fair to ichiro or anybody else that breaks a record like that, it's a season record and ichiro broke it, it's that simple and i don't know what much else i can say
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 2, 2004 16:21:40 GMT -5
i don't get what's so hard to understand, it doesn't matter what kind of hits he got, it doesn't matter how many games he played, all that matters is that ichiro got more hits than sisler in one season, and you can't just have two different records because that's like saying that sisler holds the real record but ichiro holds the 162 game mark, we have no idea if sisler would have gotten more hits in this era or if ichiro could have gotten 260 hits in that era so we just have one record to make it as fair as possible
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 1, 2004 22:38:33 GMT -5
congrats to ICHIRO!!! too bad his team is in last did you have to bring that last part up? i was starting to forget about that with edgar's last games and ichiro breaking the record, oh well i'll admit it, the mariners suck ;D
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 1, 2004 22:13:08 GMT -5
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 1, 2004 20:52:48 GMT -5
because the number of games have nothing to do with it, it is most hits in a season it doesn't matter how many games were played because they were both full seasons, and it's not fair to ichiro to just give sisler the benefit of the doubt when we have no idea what kind of competition there was 84 years ago, did you notice that the 20's have all of the 250 hit seasons in major league history? there's more than likely a reason for that
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 1, 2004 16:33:44 GMT -5
exactly it's toss up, nobody knows, so we might as well make one season record and leave it at that
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Post by CheesyChaz on Oct 1, 2004 1:09:32 GMT -5
and nobody knows how many hits ichiro would have gotten in sislers era even if it was only 154 games, you can't just say that because he played in 8 less games sisler would have gotten more hits, it's not that simple
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Post by CheesyChaz on Sept 30, 2004 22:59:42 GMT -5
i don't get what you're trying to say, are you saying ichiro's a selfish player? are you saying that because ichiro doesn't hit for power that means he can't be a great player? ichiro is a leadoff man, his job is to get on base anyway he can, if he can't hit for power then he can't hit for power but don't turn that into a diss of his game, 256+ hits is unheard of in this era of homeruns and relief pitchers, he should be getting his proper respect for that
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Post by CheesyChaz on Sept 30, 2004 21:52:32 GMT -5
First off, it's not really a good record. He has 47 MORE singles than the previous record holder. He also has 8 more games to set the record. Kind of like Roger Maris and his asterisk. i was watching "i, max" today and he made a great point, if aaron had hit less homeruns than ruth by the time that he had played as many games as him should the record have had an asterisk? it doesn't matter how many games are in the season because a season's a season and if you're going to bring that up you should aslo bring up all the other variables that come into play, so we really have no idea if those extra 8 games are as much of an advantage as people are making it out to be, all i'm saying is that people shouldn't be taking away from ichiro's season just because he's played more games
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Post by CheesyChaz on Sept 30, 2004 16:39:17 GMT -5
he just got robbed in his 4th atbat, i thought it was going to drop too
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Post by CheesyChaz on Sept 30, 2004 16:30:45 GMT -5
i'm going to the game saturday, hopefully he can wait until then ;D
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